This change means that for all these decades, they haven't been preaching "the truth" in fact they've been spreading incorrect information throughout the world . Good thing Arma-giddy-boom didn't' come after all.
Pete Zahut
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New Light on Sheep and Goats?
by notsurewheretogo inlloyd evans has just tweeted a video he will be releasing soon on the "change" to the meaning of the sheep and goats and when that is to occur.. i've missed any discussion on that on here or anywhere?
it seems it was part of the 2020 annual meeting the gb had?.
any info on this?.
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Can we stick to topics that we came that we came to this forum in the first place?
by James Jack ini don’t care about politics, books you are reading, movies and tv programs you’re watching, etc..
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Pete Zahut
It's interesting to hear how others are doing and/or what they're thinking about or experiencing as members of regular society. As we all suspected, we are so much more than just former JW's and have more to talk about than criticism of our former religion.
If that's not enough, there's years of JW doctrinal discussions on record if you do a search.
You'd think AM3 would be running low on scotch by now and sneaking out of the compound.
Makes me wonder if Amazon delivers to Bethel and if so do they ship booze in a plain unmarked box?
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Wife told me a tale about a letter writing experience and my BS meter was like "uhhh ya rightttttt"
by goingthruthemotions inso me and my pimi wife are driving today and normally we don't talk anything about her stupid cult.
because it will end up with me saying something and her getting p.o'ed.
well anyways i have been trying to just ignore the bs and keep my mouth shut.
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Pete Zahut
The non JW said, " I just got a letter from a Jehovah witness and it was such a encouraging letter, in fact I keep it with me here in my purse and pulled out the letter.
(LOL ya righttt)
The JW said, " I write letters, is there a name on the letter?"
the NON JW: " yes the name is ******."The JW said: Thats my name, I wrote that letter.
Non JW said: Thank you for confirming your name. I'm a Subpoena server and I've been following you. You're being served for using the U.S Postal Service to harass private citizens and solicit Cult membership.
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Are faders like me just cowards? Should I show my face?
by Witness 007 ini feel bad i just faded away and did not "come out" as an apostate hater.
my mum died refusing blood and still i hang back my wife still has witness friends and goes to the memorial every year..
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Pete Zahut
There is no good way to leave the JW's and that's how you know it's a Cult or at the very least, Cult-like.
Fading isn't cowardly, it takes just as much courage to face the fears JW's have imposed on you but doing so takes away or at least limits their power over you and the havoc they can wreak on you life.
Fading takes strength in the form of "self control" because you don't get to have your say...no immediate gratification because you don't get to blow everyone who has deceived you, out of the water the way you'd probably like to. You don't get to share what you've learned, with your friends and loved ones. Instead, you have the difficult task of keeping things to yourself...biding your time for the sake of damage control.
I lost both my Father who was studying with JW's and my Elder Father in Law (48) because of the JW lies regarding blood transfusion. I faded and rather than tell everyone I know about what happened, I've bided my time and have been able to make a bigger impact by subtly pointing my family and loved ones to information that has opened their eyes without causing them to run in the opposite direction.
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the GB has just cancelled the next two years
by neat blue dog ineven some democrats are advocating for reopening society, and are at least hoping for some point in 2021, but the governing body just announced that they're canceling the assemblies in 2022 as well, aiming to restart in 2023. .
they're really milking this 'pandemic', because as soon as things go back to normal that sense of urgency will start to die again, and publisher counts / meeting attendance will go down as well.
i wonder how many jws are suffering form (additional) depression from this as well, because with meetings, assemblies and conventions at least you could see and meet new people, as well as socialize.
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Pete Zahut
the Governing Body just announced that they're canceling the assemblies in 2022 as well, aiming to restart in 2023.
Whoo hoo....what a relief it must be for those in charge...they have an almost 2 year break from having to come up with material and organizing assemblies.
I wonder how many JWs are suffering form (additional) depression from this as well, because with meetings, assemblies and conventions at least you could see and meet new people, as well as socialize.
I'm guessing any additional depression that may be caused by isolation might be offset by the absence of anxiety caused by the weekly doom and gloom sessions which are part and parcel of the end times cult they belong to. I'm sure the impact the meetings may normally have on individuals, has been lessened by viewing them via zoom.
Much of the civilized world is on hold, but perhaps JWs even more so, as they can't turn to 'worldly' people for companionship and their already small community is now even smaller.
I live in the epicenter of Covid and most of the Churches around here have been meeting in big Marquee tents set up in their parking lots, ever since this whole mess started. They know the value of in person association and that meeting online doesn't have the same impact. They prove how much they trust that "god's Holy Spirit" will keep them safe. (Not saying they should) but JW's don't put their faith to the test as much as they claim to.
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Zoom meetings
by molybdenum inbeing pimo i attend the meetings regularly over zoom.
( i have to as my wife is a dyed -in - the wool, and stick-in-the mud pioneer witness.
i have no possibility of leaving as it would create havoc in my life and at 68 years of age i just don't want the hassle of having to cope with the ramifications of disassociating myself.
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Pete Zahut
A JW family member showed me a video of and elderly Sister who was listening to a Zoom meeting and she walked by the camera in a nightgown and slurping on a glass of red wine.
I said "That must be why they call her Sister Weinstien" LOL!
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The Trolley Problem
by Simon inso you've probably heard of the ethical dilemma question which is a thought-experiment where you imagine there is a runaway train-trolley, a junction with a lever that you can pull and two tracks - one with 5 workers on it and another with just 1, but no way to warn them.. all you can do is pull the lever, or not, thus allowing 5 people to die or through your direct action sacrificing 1 to save them.. what should you do?.
this sort of thing may seem silly but it comes up in real life.
should a self-driving car for instance, faced with a certain collision, chose which pedestrians to run over?
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Pete Zahut
This reminds me of the JW "trolley" illustration that was meant to show God's mercy in sacrificing his son Jesus for mankind?
A bridge has collapsed and a train full of people (cursed mankind) is heading toward it. The railroad switch operator (God) can throw the switch and send the train down another set of tracks and save all the passengers but he knows that his son (Jesus) brings him his lunch every day and is walking on those tracks at that very moment. What should he do?
The solution of course is that since he's Almighty God, he could easily stop the train or miraculously fix the bridge but once again the JW's created a false narrative and weren't comparing apples to apples. The switch operator in this scenario wasn't the one who collapsed the bridge the way god cursed mankind and unlike the little boy, Jesus was aware of what was taking place.
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Why does God need to be worshipped?
by RULES & REGULATIONS inthe bible exhorts us to “worship the one who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.”—deuteronomy 4:24; revelation 14:7.. insight on the scriptures, volume 2 pp 1200-1202. worshipone of the hebrew words conveying the idea of worship (ʽa·vadhʹ) basically means “serve.” (ge 14:4; 15:13; 29:15) serving or worshiping jehovah required obedience to all of his commands, doing his will as a person exclusively devoted to him.
(ex 19:5; de 30:15-20; jos 24:14, 15) therefore, for an individual to engage in any ritual or act of devotion toward any other gods signified his abandoning true worship.—de 11:13-17; jg 3:6, 7.another hebrew term that can denote worship is hish·ta·chawahʹ, which primarily means “bow down” (ge 18:2), or do obeisance.
(see obeisance.
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Pete Zahut
As a father, I never required my children to worship me. I just wanted honor and respect. They never needed to thank me for every meal...
Yes... and what father would curse his grandchildren and every generation thereafter to horrible sicknesses and death just because his son or daughter broke one of his rules ?
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Havent gone to the kingdom hall in ten years but may have to go back...
by Joliette inmade a big mistake of talking about being raised as a jehovah's witness to some old friends and family.
people have told me that i am still a jws even though i've never been baptized.
i'm in school for social services, dealing with student loan debt, and a lot of other debt.
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Pete Zahut
Really trying to get myself together in 2021 both economically and health-wise, trying to get my diabetes in check,
A friend of mine was out of work temporarily but because of that, was qualified to get one of those high tech insulin pumps and his A1c has improved greatly. They're quite speedy but not impossible. Might you be eligible for some kind of financial assistance that can help you get one??
trying to finish my human services degree, and hopefully move in the next year or so, maybe to another place, or to another city.
How about changing the words "trying", "hopefully" and "maybe" to.... "I am, "I will" and I'm determined to"
I feel for you because I know what it's like to be "conditioned" to think that in order to be happy, successful, fulfilled etc you have to be a JW. That what we learn through fear is hard to unlearn. Fear is the No1 tactic that groups like JW's use to get sell their program to others. They are scared people who pass on their own fears to others.
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Havent gone to the kingdom hall in ten years but may have to go back...
by Joliette inmade a big mistake of talking about being raised as a jehovah's witness to some old friends and family.
people have told me that i am still a jws even though i've never been baptized.
i'm in school for social services, dealing with student loan debt, and a lot of other debt.
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Pete Zahut
You guys are missing the point. If something ends up happening to me who is going to help me? If I ended up getting seriously sick in an accident no ex Jehovah's Witness is gonna help.
I understand how you're feeling. Any of us who grew up JW did so waiting for the next shoe to drop. We got used to the idea that we had a safety net and were part of a worldwide brotherhood and pitied anyone who wasn't part of it.
Apart from your immediate family and a handful of friends, the feeling of safety was an illusion. From what I've seen, when times of trouble come along, the congregation might be there with sympathetic words, mention you in a few prayers and offer a casserole or two but any real help came from family members or very close friends. Even that was short lived. It was still vital to have health insurance, social security, savings, be eligible for unemployment insurance and have a solid back-up plan. You can do this without having to sit through decades of mind numbing meetings listening to aggravating skewed logic. Why not spend the time working toward being self sufficient emotionally and financially.
So far you've (understandably) talked about others helping you...what others can do for you when you run into trouble. What do you have to offer others?
What if you met a man you were interested in and he told you his life plan was to join a club so that if he ran into trouble, he'd have someone to rely on. You'd likely think of him as a user and a weakling.
Gone are the days when a woman needs to be a dependent all of her life, whether it be emotionally or financially. I can see how going back to what is familiar might help you while you are getting yourself together but I wouldn't make being a JW your master plan. It's not fair to them and it's not fair to you.
If you want to go back to the JW's, do it for the right reasons. Like most avenues one uses to escape from reality, be it drugs, sex, alcohol, religion etc it will ultimately become a prison and eventually you'll have to the face reality you're running from, all at once. "Every form of refuge has it's price".
Scary as it may be at first, why not face reality on your own terms rather than waiting around for it to eventually catch up with you? Often the roaring lion (your fears) become a harmless kitten when you turn around and face them head on.